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for the masses headline additionally

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july 8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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difference is worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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here we go today is monday january 4th

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four

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only 361 days

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we are live from a bunker

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from a bunker that is in the middle of

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beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down

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east and west north and south

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg ra the planets

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i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody that's it we

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are officially

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in 2021

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holy smokes all right

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what a great week uh we've got lined up

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2021 and let me get you

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straight to it here uh tonight

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very special guest for our first show in

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ryan bledsoe joining us now this is

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going to be a great conversation

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and um this is

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ryan's he's probably listening right now

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getting nervous don't get nervous ryan

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this is his

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uh first show on uh a major

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radio program tonight now he's done

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other things in the past but

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uh tonight tonight's the big one and

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and we decided to do it as our first

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show of the year and i'm very excited

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um everybody in this audience has

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uh heard all the interviews i've done

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with his uh father chris

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and uh which were all great shows and

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well which reminds me um one of the one

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with uh his dad chris uh was

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the call-in night on a fader night that

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absolutely amazing well tonight we're

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going to hear directly

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from ryan and this is going to be

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and then how do we top that well we're

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going to do that tomorrow night

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with bob mcguire bob mcguire's going to

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be here we're going to be talking about

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triangle ufo image circulating around

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the secret three-letter agencies right

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tagged into some reports we're gonna be

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talking about that and so much more

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uh tomorrow night uh with bob mcguire

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bob mcguire is here then

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wednesday night he's back

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it's isaac arthur and future science

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more on that in just a minute uh but

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isaac will be with us on wednesday night

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then of course thursday

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long ryan he's

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ryan just tweeted so ryan's hanging out

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in the sandbox everybody

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just gonna let you know go follow ryan

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and uh he just tweeted out i'll try not

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to be nervous jimmy he's gonna be just

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fine so funny

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um ryan said to me uh

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he goes no video right i said no no

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we're just running audio

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um but we can run video

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and you and i can see each other nobody

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else will see he goes oh man

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because i'm wearing a tank top i'm like

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oh man i'm really looking forward to

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this it is

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yeah ryan's on twitter sarah ann uh he's

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right there at ryan bledsoe

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everybody go and follow him i already

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tweeted

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out uh earlier uh uh ryan's twitter okay

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so you can go and do that

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all right um so that's our week here and

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just like my chair suddenly my

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microphone

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doesn't want to stay up it's uh

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oh man it's it's always something right

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uh today i get into the bunker got a lot

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of stuff to do

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software decided not to run today and

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certain drivers

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um here in the studio uh which everybody

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knows it's it's pretty happening it's

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pretty cool in here

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but one thing doesn't happen

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right a driver or or that

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it's it's a bad situation and

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today i want to welcome our newest

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sponsor by the way

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and it'll take you straight over to our

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patreon supplies

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uh site that we have and you can go and

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check that out so now we've got my

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patreon supply and i've got to cut a

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commercial i got to do

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and i don't have audio drivers

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running in the studio oh man

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and that's like an issue let me tell you

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something

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spent like two or three hours getting

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that fixed

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and it was just like oh man i i don't

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need my day to start out like this

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but uh everything's running now of

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course so there you go

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uh my patriot supply um i've got all the

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links up in social media

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we'll have other links available over on

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the website uh starting tomorrow

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and you'll be able to just go but uh

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head over

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it's prepare with jimmy dot com and when

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you go to the page you'll see fade to

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black there you'll know

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uh you're at the right spot but

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everybody knows i don't want to

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i want to thank my patriots supply and

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one of the things

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um this country right now

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is is tripping we've got the pandemic

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we've got these crazy elections we've

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got protests we've got things going on

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and and empty store shelves

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nobody knows and right now prepping

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is the best thing you can do to ease

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your mind

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and i have got the

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setup for my family and if you're king

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of your castle or

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queen of your castle you know you know

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what your job is your job is to take

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care of your family

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that's what it is and um i remember

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a couple of years ago we had a lot of uh

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things going down here

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at the house we had fires in the hills

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uh we had evacuation orders we had

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things

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going and rita comes in to me and she

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church and you know what that's when i

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know i'm in trouble

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when she calls me church church

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are we prepped what's your

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throw the dogs in the car and drive

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that's your plan

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and that's it and so we have

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uh been prepping ever since and we all

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know what we've gone through

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in 2020 uh it's it's just crazy times

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get yourself stocked up visit

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good if anything hits the fan

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no matter what it is you need to know

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that you're good to go

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that's it okay so prepare with jimmy

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and go and get yourself your very own

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and i've got some things lined up um in

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the future with billy carson

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and uh now uh one last thing really

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i get uh going here and i've got to do

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i'm now out of time um is

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river moon coffee okay now this is the

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we've got the links there you can go and

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extraordinary website everything is

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there one-stop shop

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and uh we'll have ever i think we've got

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everything up at jimmychurchradio.com

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and we'll start to roll that out

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tomorrow as well so lots of things going

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to kick off the new year hello everybody

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we made it to 2021.

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uh i already feel better about the year

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ahead

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it can only get better it's going to be

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a great year it's going to be an amazing

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we're four days in and let's start this

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journey together you can follow me on

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j church radio at j church radio the

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sandbox where you can hang out with ryan

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tonight is hashtag f2b

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on twitter hello to everybody on the

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everybody over in the spreaker chat room

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everybody over at kgra welcome

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here we go let's kick off 2021

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with this breaking news uk prime

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minister boris

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variant of covid19 i'm calling covet 20.

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covet 19 feels a surge of infections

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vulnerable children

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people will be allowed to leave their

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homes for limited reasons like

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shopping for essentials exercise and

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medical assistance other than that

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it is lockdown in the country

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international departures are now limited

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to those who have

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a legally permitted reason such

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as work now they're looking to unlock

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and lift things hopefully

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sometime in the middle of february

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now big news today archaeology check

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this out a saudi

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scientific team from the heritage

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authority discovered stone

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tools used by the inhabitants of the

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assyrian civilization

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and the paleolithic period that dates

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back

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200 000 years the heritage authority

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said in a press statement today

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that the discover tools are stone

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axes from the middle paleolithic

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period these unique and rare stone axes

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that were characterized by the high

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precision

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in manufacturing that these human groups

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used in their daily life

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satellite images show the wide spatial

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distribution of the assyrian sites

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and that they were the largest

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concentration

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of human inhabitants worldwide

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at that time extraordinary the images

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are unbelievable now nostradamus

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back in the news because nostradamus

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predicted an

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asteroid strike sometime in 2021

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saying that quote in 2021

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in the sky one sees fire and a long

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trail of sparks end quote that was from

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nostradamus

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as a prelude to the monster fly by later

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this week when we're talking about

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asteroids

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tonight the 32 meter asteroid 20

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21 ab and the 11 meter 2012

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bt1 will shoot past the earth

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at a distance of 523 000 and 3.2 million

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miles respectfully and that's pretty

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close

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then on wednesday this week's main event

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will be the 62 meter or half the height

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of the great pyramid of giza

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asteroid 2021 ac which will drive by at

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a distance

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of 2.1 million miles well a british

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judge has rejected

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a u.s request to extradite wikileaks

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founder julian assange

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to america ruling that such a move would

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be

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oppressive by reason of his mental

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health now

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assange is 49 years old he says he's

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going a little bit crazy

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and that he is now feeling suicidal

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and the judge said he ain't gonna do it

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as a matter of fact the judge

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uh almost released him

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the 49 year old australian has been

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charged in the u.s under the espionage

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act for his role in publishing

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classified military diplomatic cables

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this wednesday the big day

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the judge the same judge will consider a

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bail

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application from his legal team

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extraordinary news let's get to show

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cracking happy birthday too

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ramstein front man till

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lindemann is 58 years old

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guitar great john mclaughlin

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today is 79

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joy division and new orders bernard

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sumner today

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is 65 and rem front man

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michael stipe today is 61.

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i'm 57. have you seen what michael stipe

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looks like lately he's 61.

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man some hard years on this day in

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history otd 1974

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president richard nixon refuses to hand

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over tape recordings and documents that

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have been subpoenaed by the senate

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watergate committee

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marking the beginning of the end

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of his presidency fader fact

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you ready vader fact in hong kong

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all new listen to me i can't keep this

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microphone

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upright let's do this maybe that'll work

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better for now

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fader fact in hong kong all new

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buildings must have

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at least two women's toilets

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for every man's toilet

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officials in hong kong say

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that women take twice as long as

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men on average when visiting

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i'm not making this stuff up i know you

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think i write it and this is

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comedy and that i've got this talent

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uh for writing this stuff and making

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this stuff up

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that is a vetted vader fact

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tonight very special guest for our first

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show in 2021 we have ryan bledsoe

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joining us tomorrow night bob mcguire is

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here we're going to be talking about

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that

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around

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those secret three letter agencies

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wednesday night

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isaac arthur future science

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thursday is another fader night with

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open lines all night long the call-in

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number

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is 747-228-2051 oh look at the ramstein

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jc you're good

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you're good you guys are quick

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i don't know a word that he sings don't

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know it

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don't care don't care i don't even want

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to know what those words are

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all right river moon coffee it's river

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rivermoonwellness.com

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yourself some fade to black blend

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and uh our game changer blend is only

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available from their

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amazon store that's an exclusive amazon

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product

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um so you go to amazon for that and uh

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head over to rivermoonwellness.com all

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of our new wellness products are there

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the under eye serum as you can see you

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see

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ah michael's type uh would lose 20 years

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i do you know what um uh and thank you

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for that

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uh that that's that's fantastic i i i do

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i appreciate that that's from

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sarah ann talking about my fantastic

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hair

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um i was uh in the mirror this weekend

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and i have got

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one it looks like two but i see one for

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sure

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i've got one long black uh one long gray

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hair

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it starts about here and it goes right

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down the center and it's just like well

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okay i'm ready for that let's just go

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next phase of my life

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let's uh let's bring on the gray so far

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so good though

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all right

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by now we all know what

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entanglement is in the world of physics

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talk about it all the time on the show

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entanglement that two particles

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can somehow be connected even if they

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are separated and at the other ends of

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the galaxy

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right what einstein called spooky action

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if this is

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come on guys i want to talk serious for

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a second no more michael stipe pictures

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i know what happened what happened

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what happened to michael stipe i know

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right yeah

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yeah okay so it's not just me you guys

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so entanglement right two particles

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right

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and no faster than the speed of light at

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the same time they affect

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each other right some kind of strange

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connection some kind of weird

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communication is going

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on so if this is the case well

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is every particle in our

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bodies connected to something else out

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there in the universe

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has to be right even that gray hair mine

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is connected to another gray hair

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out there somewhere and if that is not

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how about a complete

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version of our self

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particle by particle reacting

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in real time right now in the

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now now as as

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somewhere in the universe or better yet

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how about in a parallel world

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now in the quantum world

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once measurement has happened

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or just an observation

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by anything immediately

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a duplicate is created split off

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goes to another dimension universe

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another

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you can be observed by anything

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the measurement when you look at someone

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observation measurement

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or someone even your dog

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looks at you well it's like bam

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duplicates entangled connections

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this has been debated for almost 100

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years

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since around 1930 and physicists today

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still can't agree as to what

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but yet the measurement

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part of quantum mechanics quantum theory

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well quantum anything

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is the cornerstone of everything

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but it's not talked about it's barely

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even taught

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because nobody can agree what it

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actually is

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the measurement or observation

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at the quantum level is the reason why

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there is the multiverse reason why there

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are

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infinite versions of you and our earth

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that go on forever and forever by the

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way

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this is generally accepted today in the

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world of

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physics

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but the very basis of these conclusions

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measurement and what it is

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is debated it's argued and is still the

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it's like this you're sitting in your

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physics 101 class it's your freshman

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year in college

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right and you raise your hand you're

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like

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pick me professor points at you and you

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ask

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what is measurement and the professor

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looks at you

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right and then the rest of the class

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and says well what's the basis of

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everything

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but it's not in your textbook

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next question please and you're like

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wait wait wait wait

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but but what is it professor says listen

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kid

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i don't know nobody knows

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and you're on your own and when you

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figure it out

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write a paper and get back to me

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00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:01,039
and you respond with yeah but but but

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but einstein

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bores heisenberg

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schrodinger they all said that and the

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professor's gonna cut you off

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00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,840
russ is gonna cut you off and say hey

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yeah yeah you know what

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they didn't agree either they didn't

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know nothing

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i don't know they didn't know the only

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thing that they did agree on

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is that it's the bottom line of all that

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there is

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everything now as of today

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i've listened to and read just about

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every physicist that has come before

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and is alive today and their theories

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about

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measurement and observation it's crazy

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they all say the same thing nobody knows

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anything

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but yet they all agree that it's there

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that it's necessary

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and that is the very fundamental thing

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for every single particle

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you can listen to the most complex

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go watch them they're all over online

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class

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just going deep deep deep

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right symbols and equations all over the

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white board and then it'll happen

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every lecture physicist is up there he's

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like

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so at this point we got to get to here

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make a measurement and right as he says

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it

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every single time

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this wednesday we have isaac arthur on

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the show

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and i'll ask him about measurements and

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observation just to prove my point

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and you've got to listen to his reaction

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and somewhere

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out there in the multiverse entangled

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will be another isaac arthur laughing

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out loud

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in real time in unison

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entangled saying jimmy i don't know man

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nobody does anywhere

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but when i find out i'll write a paper

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and publish it

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this is fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church this is our first

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show of 2021 tonight

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very special guest ryan bledsoe is

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joining us

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tomorrow night bob mcguire is here going

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to be talking about that triangle ufo

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picture that nobody's seen but him

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wednesday night it's isaac arthur and

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future science

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and measurement and observation thursday

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night's another fader night with open

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lines all night long the call in number

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ryan bledsoe stay with us

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you're listening to jimmy's

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jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up i'm chris what up this is kyle

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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real jimmy church

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tonight first time guest ryan bledsoe is

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joining us tomorrow night bob mcguire is

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here

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wednesday night isaac arthur and future

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signs thursday night of course is

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another fader night with open lines

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online along the first fader night

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first fader night of 2021

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tonight it's ryan bledsoe kicking off a

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brand new year in our first show for

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2021

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the son of christopher bledsoe senior

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he's here for the first time to discuss

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his life of et contact or is it

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something else

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with both himself and his family chris

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and his family are one of the most

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documented contact stories right now and

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have been investigated and covered over

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the last decade

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by both private researchers and

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government agencies

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and tonight everybody i'm introducing

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you to ryan for the first time

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and he is here on his first

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major radio broadcaster network it's

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going to be great it's going to be here

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00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,320
with us for the full show sharing his

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experiences with all of you the fader

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knots

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and i would like to welcome to fade to

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black for the first time ryan blood so

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ryan how you doing man you all good

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yeah i'm doing good man but um i'm

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wondering if you're laughing because you

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uh see the funny ornament on the wall

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behind me

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or uh no i i see that

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uh uh you changed your shirt which is

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good

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00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:20,400
yeah well um you kind of put me on blast

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there and

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uh i did pretty funny i did just making

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sure you're listening

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and and ryan before we get started uh

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you get the first time

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guest disclaimer which is always an

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honor around here

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00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,320
which is this let's get it out of the

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way it's just you and i sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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and where the conversation starts it

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starts where it ends it ends

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but we're gonna end his friends there

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00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:44,320
you go you ready

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00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,760
sounds good to me all right now um

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00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:50,560
this is i'm excited uh to have you on

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00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:51,119
the show

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00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,320
and i want uh the audience to know

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00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,760
uh we wanted to get ryan on the show

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00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,839
but uh instead of calling ryan i called

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his dad

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i said chris uh got this idea and he

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00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:06,800
said it's a fantastic one

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uh jimmy yeah please uh uh

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it's it's it's our honor and and it was

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00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,160
really that

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00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,280
simple uh ryan what was your reaction

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00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,280
when when your dad got a hold of you and

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00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,079
said church wants you on fade to black

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00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:24,079
well it wasn't exactly like that i was

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sitting on the couch

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00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,960
like watching king kong or something

808
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,720
with my in-laws and he sends me a text

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00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,320
with no context

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00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,680
and you know on apple you could share

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00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,839
the content the contact information and

812
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,440
it just popped up and said jimmy church

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00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,800
and i was like

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00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,079
uh oh i think i know what he's getting

815
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,839
at and then he said text him don't call

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00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,440
him

817
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:43,520
there you go see your dad doesn't play

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00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:45,280
around nope he doesn't play around right

819
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,920
to the point

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00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:48,560
and uh i was excited though yeah and

821
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,119
thank you

822
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,400
and i know that you've been following

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00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,839
the show for a while we've been

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following you

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00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,920
and uh uh we have great respect uh for

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you and the entire family

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00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,200
uh just an amazing amazing story

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00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,240
and i can't wait to get your take on it

829
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:06,000
um and so we're going to go through all

830
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,680
of that tonight so welcome to the show

831
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,440
get comfortable i see that you're

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00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,920
hanging out in in twitter with everybody

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the fader knots

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are a wonderful family and uh there you

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go

836
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okay um let's start here where'd you

837
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,119
grow up

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00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,440
well um i was born and raised in

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fayetteville north carolina i lived

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there until i was about 23

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24 and now i'm in wilmington so lived in

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two towns my whole life

843
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:34,240
um wait a minute you look like you're

844
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:38,079
19. so how old are you and i know that

845
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,400
uh

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00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,000
let's let's actually get that out of the

847
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:41,599
way okay and

848
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,520
okay did you get married yet

849
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:48,320
um well we were going to get married on

850
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,920
october 9th and we had to postpone

851
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,800
because of covid

852
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,240
right so we're we're going to get

853
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:54,400
married this coming october yeah i saw

854
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:54,720
you

855
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:58,240
congratulations on that

856
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,440
thank you and i'm looking at the picture

857
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,520
i'm like man how how old is

858
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:04,560
how old is ryan so um

859
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,240
uh how old are you i'm 27. you're 27.

860
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:11,040
and uh getting married oh my birthday's

861
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,000
october 10th

862
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:14,160
so oh there you go well that's what you

863
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:15,040
do instead of

864
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,359
doing it on october 9th dude on october

865
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:19,359
10th and that would be really cool

866
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,960
um absolutely but uh okay so you grew up

867
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,320
in fayetteville

868
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,359
um what was it like uh

869
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,160
up until 2007 because that's always

870
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,400
that's the focus for everybody

871
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:35,040
uh with you and the family um what was

872
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:35,920
it like until

873
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,520
2007 any high strangeness

874
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,359
that's actually really interesting that

875
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,680
you asked that so um

876
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,800
when i was a little kid about nine or

877
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,160
ten years old

878
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,400
there was this time where it was

879
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,760
thanksgiving and i was at my

880
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,880
grandmother's house

881
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:54,320
it's the same property we ended up

882
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,839
building our house on that where

883
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,599
everything happened in 2007 but that

884
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,200
that house was not on the property yet

885
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,119
so it was a lot of open grass

886
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,640
and we were all standing outside one

887
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:05,520
night and we saw this large

888
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,920
um i guess you could say green craft fly

889
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,800
over

890
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,880
and we also stood there silently just

891
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:12,560
watching it and it kind of blew us away

892
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:14,000
and we never really talked about it

893
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:14,880
again

894
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:18,079
and it wasn't until several years later

895
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,440
even after the fayetteville incident

896
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,200
that we were like oh my gosh

897
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,400
now that we think about it we saw this

898
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,319
thing all those years ago so definitely

899
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,640
i've had that experience and then 2007

900
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:28,319
the rest is history yeah right right

901
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,720
right

902
00:40:31,829 --> 00:40:31,119
um let's go back to that green craft for

903
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:31,839
a second

904
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,280
um and your memory uh so you would have

905
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,720
been pretty young how old were you when

906
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,800
you saw the green craft

907
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,200
uh if i mean if my memory serves i was

908
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,640
definitely in elementary school

909
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:45,040
right um i i i want to say i was in

910
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,839
maybe the

911
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:48,400
fifth grade so probably ten yeah ten

912
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:48,960
years old

913
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,000
big was it did you

914
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,200
hear anything that right so i remember

915
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:56,480
it being

916
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,240
big enough that it could have been a

917
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,720
blimp like really really big but it was

918
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,760
low

919
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,920
and i just remember my dad standing

920
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,480
beside me and saying like you know

921
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,319
it's not making any sound it's it's

922
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,520
definitely not an airplane it's not a

923
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,520
blimp it was really low to the ground

924
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,800
and uh no sound and it kind of blinked

925
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,240
it definitely wasn't a plane it was a

926
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:18,079
huge i mean i don't know what you call

927
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,200
it a huge craft

928
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,119
right and i just remember going to

929
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,560
school the next day and

930
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,520
you know we used to have those

931
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,599
scholastic book fairs and whatnot i

932
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,440
remember getting the science edition of

933
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:29,200
the scholastic magazine and going

934
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,400
through every page

935
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,920
because in my 10 year old mind it would

936
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,200
have had everything there is to know

937
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,800
about science and i was disappointed to

938
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,400
never find a picture of that craft

939
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,359
right and well see and this is uh you

940
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:40,960
bring up a really good point

941
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:45,359
in that um i'm a guy i'm a man

942
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:48,880
when when a man is a boy

943
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:52,240
eight nine ten years old you're into

944
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:55,839
airplanes helicopters rockets

945
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,280
that's it right that that's your life

946
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,359
right right right exactly mechanical

947
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,880
things right and so

948
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,040
when you see something like that it

949
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:06,880
doesn't look like

950
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,920
what you think you know about airplanes

951
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,440
and trucks right

952
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:14,079
and that's right and just so what did

953
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:14,480
you

954
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,200
or ufos or

955
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:21,280
i remember all of us saying it's a ufo

956
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,400
it's a ufo

957
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,160
and you know the funny thing now that

958
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,000
i've really fleshed this out

959
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,240
is um some of my relatives were there

960
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,680
present who were seeing it and who were

961
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,359
astounded but then when the two

962
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:33,200
the 2007 thing happened they didn't

963
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,560
believe us

964
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:37,680
so that

965
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:41,040
that i believe um did any of your

966
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,319
friends at school see it

967
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,040
did anybody else no so this was a

968
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:46,400
contained event at

969
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,599
my family's um thanksgiving gathering

970
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,440
that evening i remember what i have a

971
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,880
little bit of vivid detail about it but

972
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,160
then some of it kind of slips

973
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:56,480
like i know i was watching the very

974
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,440
terrible

975
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,839
uh what's that actor's name he was it

976
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,280
pennywise the clown i was watching that

977
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,960
on tv for some horrific reason

978
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,240
and my dad's like come outside come

979
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,160
outside there's something in the air and

980
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,160
the thing that a lot of people don't um

981
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,680
oh it's tim curry by the way

982
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,040
the thing that a lot of people don't

983
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,839
really uh talk about or consider a whole

984
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:15,920
lot is my dad was a commercial pilot for

985
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:19,040
probably 15 to 20 years um he

986
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,240
he really knows what these things look

987
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,160
like and when my dad was telling me

988
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:24,160
you know i'm a pilot that's no plane

989
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,520
that's nothing i've ever seen i just

990
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,480
believed them

991
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,160
you know and it looked weird it was it

992
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,640
was kind of like a giant cigar

993
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:33,920
shaped sort of looking blimp with that

994
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,400
was

995
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,640
solid green and it had red lights on it

996
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,680
and um

997
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,119
i don't know i think maybe that is

998
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,720
somehow or another

999
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,680
related to all the 2007 stuff we've seen

1000
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,040
different shapes here and there

1001
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:48,400
but um it's weird now you have a big

1002
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,040
family

1003
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,960
uh i really enjoy when you guys post

1004
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:52,560
pictures of the family and you guys are

1005
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:52,880
close

1006
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:56,240
knit um and is everybody there in north

1007
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:02,230
yes in my immediate family and then we

1008
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,280
have

1009
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,440
gosh i don't know 50 to 150 cousins that

1010
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,119
live all over the country and in various

1011
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,440
places but like my brothers my sister

1012
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,200
my mom my dad we're all about two hours

1013
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:12,960
apart in a little triangle

1014
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,079
in north carolina i'm at the coast and

1015
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,440
my mom and dad and sister in

1016
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,240
fayetteville

1017
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:20,160
and my oldest brother and then jeremy

1018
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:21,599
works at east carolina university in

1019
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:22,079
greenville

1020
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,440
so we're all very close in distance um

1021
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:28,640
and your dad told me this uh or last

1022
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,200
week

1023
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,079
he said he's he's got 55 grandchildren

1024
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:34,319
now

1025
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,920
context of that was but he has one

1026
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,440
grandchild

1027
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:41,200
it's just it's it's such an amazing

1028
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,520
family and and and so big yeah

1029
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,880
and uh now this is the thing i i'm

1030
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,680
kidding about

1031
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,520
the size of the family and the grandkids

1032
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:52,160
but but it's important to note here

1033
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:55,839
that this is this is a family affair

1034
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:58,640
this is uh it's a big property you've

1035
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:59,119
got

1036
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,319
uh okay what's the layout i know you

1037
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:04,800
said this is before the house was built

1038
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,720
um but the main property how many acres

1039
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,079
so you're you're speaking about where i

1040
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:12,240
used to live yeah the 2007 okay so that

1041
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,119
property is

1042
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,240
six acres um the house

1043
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,240
which by the time 2007 came around it

1044
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,079
was two houses side by side but

1045
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,680
each of those houses my grandmother and

1046
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,920
grandfathers and then our house

1047
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:26,960
were about 100 to 150 yards from the

1048
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,839
road

1049
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,760
and you know this is the the south and

1050
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,079
there's a lot of country rural areas

1051
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,520
so it was kind of a not busy rural

1052
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,400
community where not only were we already

1053
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,400
about 150 yards from the road but

1054
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:42,000
there's not a lot of traffic so

1055
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,280
a lot of the stuff we were seeing there

1056
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,680
really wasn't a lot of nearby people

1057
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,119
like cars driving by

1058
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,440
it was very seldom so with that being

1059
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,319
said

1060
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,160
then you go behind the house and there's

1061
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,920
about four acres behind it

1062
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,960
with woods um the entire back side of

1063
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:58,319
the property

1064
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:02,000
from the houses back we're walled in so

1065
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,119
if you're looking at the house to the

1066
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,200
left there was these giant like uh

1067
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,440
brushes and bushes and whatnot and then

1068
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,280
on the right we had a fence

1069
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,880
in the back we had woods and fence so it

1070
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,960
was a very secluded property with

1071
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:14,720
hundreds or thousands of trees so we saw

1072
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,920
a lot of stuff go down that a lot of

1073
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:17,200
people didn't really see unless they

1074
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,920
were back there

1075
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:20,480
yeah pretty cool place to grow up right

1076
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:21,119
it was

1077
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,800
even cooler place it's about 13 acres

1078
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,960
except amplify all that seclusion

1079
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:29,040
times 10 and there's a pond and

1080
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:30,400
sometimes we go paddle board oregon

1081
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,520
stuff so

1082
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:34,800
like living in the country now uh before

1083
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:35,359
we go

1084
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:39,359
back i want to isolate one thing really

1085
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:40,400
quick

1086
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:43,839
which is the burning tree okay

1087
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,880
okay what what year what year was the

1088
00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:49,280
burning tree

1089
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:52,119
uh if i'm going based on dates it was

1090
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,599
2013

1091
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,319
i i think yeah actually actually it may

1092
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,000
have been 2012.

1093
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:01,280
and that's at the original property yes

1094
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,960
okay um and it's key to note here i want

1095
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:07,040
the audience to understand

1096
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,880
um that the videos uh that are out there

1097
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,280
you can go and watch uh chris bledsoe

1098
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,440
burning tree whatever it's called

1099
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:18,560
uh and there's there's a few of them but

1100
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:21,920
you shot that video i did yes i did

1101
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:25,359
okay um now this is 2020 so you were 20

1102
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,720
years old when that went down

1103
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,520
when that video was captured i want to

1104
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:32,720
say i was 19.

1105
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:36,160
right okay okay uh that is one of the

1106
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:37,440
craziest videos

1107
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,280
i have ever seen i've tried to

1108
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,079
rationalize it not debunk it just try to

1109
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,640
figure out what the heck is going on

1110
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,440
uh the panic in everybody's voice uh the

1111
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,480
amazement

1112
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,000
uh your mom is hysterical in the video

1113
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,280
she's uh she's great um hysterical

1114
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,440
hysterically funny and hysterical

1115
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,640
hysterical

1116
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:03,359
uh at the same time but you captured

1117
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,839
this

1118
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,480
moment the audience knows about these

1119
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,920
videos they don't know that you're the

1120
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,359
one that shot it

1121
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,200
uh right well if you google the video

1122
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,119
it's under the youtube channel that says

1123
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,790
okay ryan's gonna be here all week

1124
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,240
everybody uh

1125
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:22,559
buy the veal buy the veal ryan's going

1126
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:23,520
to be here all week

1127
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,760
um what went down that night

1128
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,240
at the beginning of the first video uh

1129
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,000
the announcements are kind of

1130
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,160
going out right everybody's alerting

1131
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,000
everybody that something might be going

1132
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,680
on in the yard

1133
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,280
where were you were you in the house

1134
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,119
were you outside

1135
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:44,160
yes so um i was in the house when it

1136
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,280
happened

1137
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,720
and i we so in our back

1138
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,880
section of the house there was a door to

1139
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,400
the backyard and it was like a glass

1140
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,319
door kind of like a window pane

1141
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,599
so you could see all the way through the

1142
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,200
door and we were all inside at this

1143
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,720
moment because if i

1144
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,359
remember correctly that day we were

1145
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:02,640
celebrating my father's

1146
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,000
birthday was that your cat's tail

1147
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:09,119
yeah my fiance real quick she was very

1148
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,839
mischievous

1149
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,920
and she was trying to jump up and see

1150
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,040
what i was doing i'm sorry

1151
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,319
but um so that day um

1152
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,000
i believe we were celebrating my dad's

1153
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:19,680
birthday and

1154
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,200
it had been raining all um the day

1155
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,359
before for about 24 hours

1156
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,359
so the day that the tree happened it's

1157
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,200
it's important to note that the ground

1158
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:30,000
the tr

1159
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,319
wasn't raining that day there was no

1160
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,400
lightning storm or nothing

1161
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:39,119
and it's also important to note that um

1162
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:40,480
chase klotsky

1163
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,440
i don't know if you're familiar with

1164
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,200
this story but chase klonsky took

1165
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:44,960
samples of this tree

1166
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,920
and sent them to mit and mit concluded

1167
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:49,599
that there were no

1168
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,720
accelerants or combustible whatever the

1169
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,319
technical term is

1170
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:56,000
but that's that's pretty crazy that

1171
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:57,440
there's already been a scientific

1172
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,079
investigation

1173
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,520
of the tree and they found that it was

1174
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,359
anomalous so what was happening that day

1175
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:02,720
we were all hanging out in the yard and

1176
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,599
it was about

1177
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,920
eight or nine pm and we decided we're

1178
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:07,040
going to go inside for the rest of the

1179
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,079
evening

1180
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,520
and we're in the back door barely made

1181
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,359
it in and i had an ipad i just got a

1182
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:12,880
brand new ipad at the time it was kind

1183
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,240
of a newer concept

1184
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:16,319
and i got it and i was just like always

1185
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,520
messaging on it and

1186
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,079
playing games and my mom and dad look

1187
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:21,359
out the back door and they're like oh my

1188
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:22,559
god the tree's on fire and they just

1189
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,920
start running out there

1190
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,359
and remember the ground was wet so i'm

1191
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,359
scrambling to get my shoes on

1192
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,440
and i just sprinted out there as fast as

1193
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:30,720
i could with my ipad and i just started

1194
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,359
recording

1195
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,800
i didn't ever think that i would you

1196
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,480
know post it to the internet i didn't

1197
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:36,480
think anybody would ever hear it

1198
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,760
but um it was it was just a very

1199
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,319
alarming moment and uh it's just it's

1200
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,680
spontaneously combusted

1201
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:44,559
yeah so uh when you go up you know

1202
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,280
they're saying the tree's on fire

1203
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,200
and you run out and you see it for the

1204
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:50,800
first time what's going through your

1205
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,030
oh my gosh uh the tree's on fire like

1206
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,880
i i i can't really tell you i mean when

1207
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,319
things like this happen that

1208
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,680
you you're not really paying attention

1209
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,800
to what's in your mind you're paying

1210
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,319
attention to what's on your eyes

1211
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,839
if that makes sense yes well and in the

1212
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,240
video um

1213
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,520
it's not the tree that's on fire

1214
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:13,599
right it's not the tree is not engulfed

1215
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,960
in flames

1216
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,520
it's right it's the inside of the tree

1217
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,040
right in the middle of the trunk

1218
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,680
what three four feet off the ground

1219
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:23,599
right is my guess

1220
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:26,640
um and there it is and you can see

1221
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,839
inside of the tree from the center

1222
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,800
is this little this little flame that

1223
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,680
doesn't seem to want to go out

1224
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:37,280
i don't know if most of the world knows

1225
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:39,280
this detail uh just because we don't

1226
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:40,240
really get out and

1227
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:41,599
you know there's a lot of details that

1228
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,400
we miss but um

1229
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:47,520
my mom who is

1230
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:49,040
you know she's great but she's a big

1231
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:50,319
skeptic of this kind of stuff so it's

1232
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,520
really funny when she has these

1233
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,800
experiences and they blow her mind but

1234
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,760
then she's like i could have been

1235
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,240
anything

1236
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,280
and we're like come on mom but she went

1237
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,440
out there three times that night

1238
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,599
put the tree out with a hose and it kept

1239
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,599
re-lighting itself after she would fully

1240
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,319
douse it with the water hose so that

1241
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,680
everything about this tree from start to

1242
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,200
finish was crazy

1243
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,520
um i think the last time she tried to

1244
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,960
put it out and gave up was like three in

1245
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:14,079
the morning and she's just like i'm

1246
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:14,800
going to bed

1247
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:17,119
and it burned till morning yeah yeah the

1248
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:18,240
the second video

1249
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,750
and uh and there it is there's the

1250
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:26,160
second video and everybody out

1251
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:29,440
uh i can't it must have been confusing

1252
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,480
to the brain

1253
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,920
because it just doesn't make any sense

1254
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,920
it uh two and two doesn't equal four

1255
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:34,960
here

1256
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:38,000
right that's right and uh

1257
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:42,960
uh the this was in 2013.

1258
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,200
um if we go back to

1259
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,800
2007 the big night which we're going to

1260
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:49,839
discuss

1261
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:54,480
um between then in and and 2013 that's

1262
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,480
you know six years um was it

1263
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:01,280
was the tree just another moment you

1264
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:02,319
know what i mean it's just

1265
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:06,000
another string of of of things going

1266
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,960
down at the house

1267
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:09,839
was it like that or did the did the tree

1268
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,790
that's a very good question and i do

1269
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:16,559
just want to very quickly uh quickly

1270
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,079
preface and say that it did actually

1271
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:19,520
happen in 2012.

1272
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,640
um i i think i published it in 2013 but

1273
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:24,240
i sat on it for about a year

1274
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,680
but anyway so back to your question um

1275
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,680
it was just like another moment because

1276
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,960
we've had so many

1277
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,599
poltergeists like activities in our

1278
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:34,640
house from

1279
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,400
2007 to 2012 but on the other side of

1280
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,480
that coin

1281
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:43,200
that tree got the attention of some

1282
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,720
people that were trying to get in

1283
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,000
contact with us

1284
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,160
to possibly work on you know like a

1285
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:49,440
multimedia project

1286
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:53,520
so it ended up being very significant

1287
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,359
did uh how is the family today

1288
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,319
uh before we head to the break um

1289
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:01,680
there's a lot of uh

1290
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,880
attention on you guys right and so

1291
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:07,599
there is the bledsoe life before all of

1292
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,559
this

1293
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,440
and and where you are today how's the

1294
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:12,880
family coping with it

1295
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,559
and and you know it's it's

1296
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,800
it's not quite fame and celebrity at

1297
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:20,480
least the fame and celebrity that you

1298
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,200
ask for

1299
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,480
it's a different form of it right

1300
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,680
well you know who who would go out there

1301
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,800
after having a happy family

1302
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,480
and then going through some troubles and

1303
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,920
have a near-death experience

1304
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,280
lose your business and then think to

1305
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,760
themselves i want to hoax a ufo

1306
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:39,680
experience for fame and fortune

1307
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:41,040
you know nobody really thinks like that

1308
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:42,640
and people don't really consider that

1309
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,440
when they

1310
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:46,079
um talk about if we're legit or whatever

1311
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:46,960
but i will say

1312
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:50,960
now um after everything that has

1313
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,319
happened it's really tested our metal

1314
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:57,359
it's really shown us

1315
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:00,799
that it's us versus the world

1316
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,000
in many ways we're very close but also

1317
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,680
with that being said

1318
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:07,200
not everybody in the family likes to

1319
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,040
talk about it because it's traumatic

1320
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:17,349
you know your friends the town school

1321
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,520
you know what i mean what's that like

1322
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:24,160
yeah um well you know like i said i'm 27

1323
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,640
now

1324
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,559
and it happened when i was 13 so that's

1325
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:28,400
that's actually what's today's date

1326
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,040
today's

1327
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:31,280
the the fourth and four days from now

1328
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,200
will be the 14-year anniversary

1329
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,480
um i've had a lot of time to see how

1330
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:38,160
people react when you tell them this

1331
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,960
stuff

1332
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,319
and at this point in our lives we don't

1333
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:42,400
really at least in my case i don't

1334
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:43,920
really tell people about this until i

1335
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,200
vetted them for a few months and

1336
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:47,520
and found whether they could like handle

1337
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:49,359
it or how they would react

1338
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,960
but when it first came out there was a

1339
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,559
documentary and the local

1340
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,720
um the fayetteville observer did like a

1341
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:56,000
news story on us

1342
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:59,200
and the reception in the immediate

1343
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,160
community was

1344
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,559
not good we were the laughing stock of

1345
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,000
the town even by

1346
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:07,680
the majority of our family like cousins

1347
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,640
and

1348
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,040
folks like that i've said this on

1349
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,119
interviews before but

1350
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,640
the day after the documentary aired i

1351
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:16,720
was 15 years old

1352
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:19,839
and i go into my civics and economics

1353
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:20,480
class

1354
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,040
and tell the story

1355
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,280
of the documentary and the most

1356
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,720
embarrassing part about that is my

1357
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:31,280
my sweet aunt tammy who who didn't mean

1358
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,960
any harm by this it was a funny gag

1359
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,400
and she was very supportive from the

1360
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,559
beginning but she threw us a viewing

1361
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:38,079
party for the uh

1362
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:39,680
for the documentary and she printed us

1363
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,599
t-shirts that said the fayetteville

1364
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,040
incident and they had a cheesy little

1365
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,799
ufo on them and it was like only for our

1366
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:46,880
family you know she didn't sell them

1367
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,319
and i wore that to school the next day

1368
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,680
and i i had to stand up in front of my

1369
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:51,200
class wearing that shirt talking about

1370
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:51,599
the doc

1371
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:54,880
man it was embarrassing um wow

1372
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:58,319
yeah it's funny now no

1373
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,680
that is not funny at all and

1374
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,760
uh i've got about two minutes and then

1375
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:05,520
uh we'll move on

1376
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,910
okay so since 2012

1377
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,599
you know my father stayed quiet for five

1378
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,799
years after the reception of the

1379
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,000
documentary

1380
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,400
and then the lady came and everything

1381
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,359
changed

1382
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:24,000
and we started opening our door to a lot

1383
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:24,960
of

1384
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,319
power people

1385
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:31,040
and immediately from then until about i

1386
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,559
guess i should say last year

1387
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,599
we we started keeping to ourselves and

1388
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:37,119
just having private discussions and

1389
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:39,040
study with these individuals and it kind

1390
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,760
of trained

1391
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:42,000
us to think it doesn't really matter

1392
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,760
what people think anymore because

1393
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:46,000
someone is listening and taking us

1394
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,440
seriously

1395
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,040
so it's it's definitely changed in a

1396
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,640
very positive way for us

1397
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:53,280
and and and and your friends and

1398
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,000
neighbors

1399
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,640
and and town and things that's changed

1400
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:57,520
for the better too

1401
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,200
i would assume um unfortunately not

1402
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,799
really like in the community there are

1403
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:04,079
some people who've reached out to me on

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00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:04,960
the internet and said

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00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:06,559
oh my gosh i remember when this aired i

1406
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,920
grew up in fayetteville i'd love to meet

1407
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,880
you guys but

1408
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,720
as far as people we know we still can't

1409
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,400
talk about it around some of these folks

1410
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,160
is it a religious is it is it a

1411
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,079
religious thing do you think

1412
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,319
it's a religious thing for many of them

1413
00:58:20,230 --> 00:58:19,680
and then it's a crazy thing for the

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00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,240
other ones

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00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,440
right right right um uh

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00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:26,160
that part of the country well any place

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00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:26,960
outside of

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00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,240
california is religious right yeah

1419
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,960
and i mean i'm in the bible you are the

1420
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:33,760
bible belt

1421
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:37,440
yeah exactly right and so

1422
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:40,400
there is always going to be a religious

1423
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:40,720
uh

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00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:43,760
tilt to this but then there is

1425
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,240
possibly a very religious tilt to the

1426
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,760
story itself

1427
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:50,160
and that has got a that has got to

1428
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:53,920
confuse the community around you

1429
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,319
yeah it does because you know when you

1430
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,920
grow up

1431
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,400
in a literal sense reading the bible

1432
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,160
which i did i was raised that way

1433
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,079
um as everybody knows you know my dad's

1434
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,599
not shy about how he was raised

1435
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,920
right um when you grow up reading that

1436
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,760
the bible is literal

1437
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,760
and then things happen that you witness

1438
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:13,200
with your eyes that are not mentioned in

1439
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:13,920
the bible

1440
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,400
it really changes your perspective but

1441
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,000
the the hard part to remember is

1442
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:20,400
all of our family members and folks in

1443
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,119
our community

1444
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,640
didn't have that experience and they

1445
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:24,559
still read it very literally

1446
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,280
so they feel the same way even that they

1447
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,599
did in 2007 we just we don't bring it up

1448
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:31,040
we don't talk about it with people in

1449
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,480
our family very seldom

1450
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:35,119
a few of my like uncles or people like

1451
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:35,680
that

1452
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,880
have come and they've seen things with

1453
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,799
us but we don't talk about it it's very

1454
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:39,839
taboo

1455
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,640
well there you go and the thing is this

1456
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,119
if i'm gonna give anybody some advice

1457
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:47,119
just to ignore the negativity man that's

1458
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:48,400
all you got to do and

1459
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:51,599
with social media these days it's it's

1460
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:56,319
so hard to resist the temptation

1461
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:59,440
of reacting just don't do it you know um

1462
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,040
i i say it almost every night on the

1463
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,280
show ryan here's my advice

1464
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:06,240
block and mute are your best friend i'll

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01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:08,079
be right back after this short break

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01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,920
our guests tonight ryan bledsoe i'm your

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jimmy church tonight

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01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:30,000
first show of 2021 we're doing it with

1593
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:31,119
ryan bledsoe

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01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:34,640
as we should tomorrow night bob mcguire

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01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:38,480
is here wednesday night is isaac arthur

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and then of course thursday night's

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long tonight it's all about ryan

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blood

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so and and ryan you're doing great man

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01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:50,950
oh and this

1602
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:54,160
is this is the thing um

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01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:57,920
uh you and the family

1604
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:01,119
uh in 2007 uh

1605
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,400
life changed that's it that's it that's

1606
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,880
that's the evening um and i want to

1607
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:07,680
discuss that

1608
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:10,160
a little bit um because it's such a

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01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,520
significant event

1610
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:13,280
and then everything that unfolded after

1611
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:14,720
that but

1612
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:18,160
you uh were not there this was uh

1613
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:21,760
your dad his uh his work crew

1614
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:24,640
chris um and and they were out where

1615
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:27,359
were you that night

1616
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:31,119
okay so i was at so we lived on the

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01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,160
property

1618
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:35,200
next to my father's parents i

1619
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:38,160
that night was staying with my mother's

1620
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,160
mom across town so i was in fayetteville

1621
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,000
but i was not at my property

1622
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:44,799
so when dad and chris junior got home

1623
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,200
that night we were not there

1624
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,839
we were at my grandma's my mom i don't

1625
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:51,359
remember where my sister was i just know

1626
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,640
me and my brother and my mom we're

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01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,079
staying tonight with her

1628
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,839
she's a widow and oftentimes she gets

1629
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:57,599
very lonely so we'll kind of make our

1630
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,319
rounds and

1631
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,720
stay with her so with that being said

1632
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,920
that's why

1633
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:03,200
most of us didn't find out about the

1634
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:05,119
experience until the following day

1635
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,319
because we were not there for them to

1636
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:08,079
come home to does that make sense yes it

1637
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,200
does so what happened

1638
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:12,240
okay when i got home or just yeah the

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01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,359
next day i mean

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01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,400
uh okay okay so

1641
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,039
i remember didn't your dad say he was he

1642
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,359
he was up all night

1643
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,760
well i mean i wasn't there i i imagine

1644
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:25,119
he was i've never asked that

1645
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:28,000
to be honest with you um but they were

1646
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,559
up late

1647
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,640
and you know you know how the story went

1648
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,920
you've you've interviewed him yourself

1649
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:33,839
so i'm gonna i'm gonna spare the

1650
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:36,400
the most part of the story but as you

1651
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,359
know when dad got

1652
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:39,200
home from the river he continued to have

1653
01:07:42,789 --> 01:07:40,720
experiences that night

1654
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:42,799
and chris jr was freaked so he wouldn't

1655
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,480
go out there he just he couldn't handle

1656
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,319
i mean he was 17. you know what what 17

1657
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:47,760
year old kid would be brave during that

1658
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:48,640
time

1659
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:51,359
so dad was up much later and when i got

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01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,720
off the school bus

1661
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:54,799
the following day hadn't talked to my

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01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,319
dad i didn't have a cell phone i was you

1663
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:57,920
know 13 years old

1664
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,520
um i get home and

1665
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:04,000
at that point in my life i was so lonely

1666
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:05,119
from having moved

1667
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:07,039
from one school to another across town

1668
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,440
because you know we downsized whatever

1669
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,960
i would go to my grandparents house

1670
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,720
every day and just quietly watch the

1671
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,079
young and the restless with them after

1672
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:15,440
school i just wanted to bond with them

1673
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,719
in any way possible

1674
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,960
so i'd go over there five days a week my

1675
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,239
older brother was in high school he

1676
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,759
wasn't home yet my younger sister would

1677
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:23,279
go to piano lessons so it was just me

1678
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,000
getting off the school

1679
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:25,839
bus you know so that's why i would do

1680
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:28,400
that so i went to my grandpa's house

1681
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,679
the first thing he says to me when i get

1682
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,480
there is

1683
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,640
boy your daddy's been smoking dope and i

1684
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,719
said what are you talking about papa

1685
01:08:40,550 --> 01:08:39,359
and he said you your daddy's going crazy

1686
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,560
on drugs

1687
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:43,600
and he's seen green boogermen and i went

1688
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:44,319
next door

1689
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,000
immediately because i was you know

1690
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:48,080
freaked out my grandpa saying that i

1691
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:49,520
kind of took him serious and then when i

1692
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,640
met my dad i

1693
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:53,199
i realized he was even at 13 i realized

1694
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,159
he was totally

1695
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:57,359
um sane sober whatever he was just in a

1696
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,239
panic

1697
01:09:01,590 --> 01:09:00,960
so it was a very frantic revelation to

1698
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:01,600
me

1699
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:04,640
from you know being introduced

1700
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:07,359
as a drug-induced psychosis by my own

1701
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,560
grandfather

1702
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:10,799
and that that impacted me that made me

1703
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,080
very guarded

1704
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:14,480
um from telling this story even to

1705
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,000
family members

1706
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,960
did uh did you do you remember your

1707
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,319
grandfather coming over

1708
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,480
and talking to your dad about it the

1709
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:23,759
next day

1710
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:26,000
honestly i don't you're right i'm right

1711
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:27,359
i don't he just didn't

1712
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,480
get involved no no i'm asking you what

1713
01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:33,520
what the environment was like and

1714
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,920
uh and for your grandfather to say

1715
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,920
something like that i wasn't there

1716
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:39,920
but it sounds like maybe he didn't even

1717
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,199
want to get involved

1718
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:44,319
in in what was going on

1719
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,199
well as you've met my father he's a very

1720
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,799
kind man he's very straight and to the

1721
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,199
point well my grandfather

1722
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,279
also a kind man but he was a very tough

1723
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,760
man and he didn't play any games

1724
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:57,199
he didn't tolerate anything that he

1725
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:58,480
thought was bullcrap and he didn't

1726
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:00,159
believe my father for a number of years

1727
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,520
and they didn't discuss it and when they

1728
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,199
did it was an argument because dad was

1729
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,719
just so irritated that they wouldn't

1730
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:06,080
believe him and you know they thought he

1731
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:07,360
was a liar or whatever

1732
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,960
and i don't blame them for reacting that

1733
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:10,719
way this is crazy

1734
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,320
but my grandpa came around probably

1735
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,000
right around the time when he passed

1736
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:18,000
away because he had a sighting

1737
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,760
he was healed of cancer and then

1738
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:21,360
unfortunately he did pass away from a

1739
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:22,480
heart attack about a year and a half

1740
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,960
later

1741
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:25,040
but he he came around in the end and

1742
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,400
started having sightings with us

1743
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,560
yeah remember your dad telling us about

1744
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,280
that and and the curing of the cancer

1745
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:34,320
um so that that okay back to the first

1746
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:35,679
day and then we'll move on

1747
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:38,560
uh what what did your dad tell you and

1748
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:38,960
um

1749
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,840
as you uh go through that chris has got

1750
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,440
to come home from school at some point

1751
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:45,280
too

1752
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,120
chris jr was not in school at the time

1753
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,440
um he was to the point to where he was

1754
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,800
working with my father

1755
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:55,040
right and you know he he ended up

1756
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,480
getting his education later but that

1757
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,920
time at that time he was not in school

1758
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:59,199
he didn't come home from school he was

1759
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,679
there

1760
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:02,400
he worked with you know my dad okay so

1761
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:03,280
he was there

1762
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,640
when you came over from your

1763
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,320
grandfather's house

1764
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,800
yes okay all right now let's let's let's

1765
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,000
start to unwrap this

1766
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:12,560
what what did they tell you so i don't

1767
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:13,440
remember

1768
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:17,040
as much that day what they told me i do

1769
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,159
remember some things i'm going to tell

1770
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:20,719
you but the main thing i remember is

1771
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:23,600
how they acted because you know keep in

1772
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:26,400
mind 14 years ago i was already a child

1773
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,760
a lot of that initial impact is lost

1774
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,280
there but i do remember

1775
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,320
my dad was in the attic

1776
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:36,000
that night he was working on something

1777
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:37,120
probably the heating and air unit i

1778
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:38,400
don't know he was tinkering my dad

1779
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,280
always tinkers

1780
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:41,440
it's just what he does and i'll go

1781
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,880
upstairs because i wanted to hear his

1782
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:44,640
story so badly i sat on the floor of the

1783
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,280
attic with him

1784
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,280
and just listened to him and he was calm

1785
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:49,600
that night the following night

1786
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:52,640
he was calm and i believed him

1787
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:55,600
right away and he was just telling me i

1788
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:58,960
saw this little being i saw these lights

1789
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:01,679
the little being was tiny and it wore

1790
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:02,640
armor

1791
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,360
glass it looked like glass in it

1792
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,760
and it glowed like the moonlight and

1793
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:11,199
then um

1794
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:13,760
i saw this you know spiky looking orange

1795
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:15,600
light kind of like a teardrop shape and

1796
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:17,840
then my brother chris junior

1797
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:20,560
i kid you not he told me it was like he

1798
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:22,640
saw he said um

1799
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:25,120
i'm trying to get it correct here he

1800
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:26,320
said it looked like something out of

1801
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,120
halo

1802
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:29,040
the video game right right right not

1803
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:30,000
sure if you're familiar with that and he

1804
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:30,960
was telling me it was

1805
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,800
it was scary but it was real and he was

1806
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,719
like you know i'm not crazy i want you

1807
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:36,080
to believe me and i was like i believe

1808
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,560
you

1809
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,320
but the way they described it was so

1810
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:40,159
frantic to be believed and they were

1811
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:40,960
totally sane

1812
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:44,000
totally you know definitely not on drugs

1813
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:44,960
or anything like that

1814
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,320
and um yeah and they separated because

1815
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,960
your dad was it back uh headed towards

1816
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:52,000
the road

1817
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:53,360
right he's going in the opposite

1818
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,199
direction from the river and

1819
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:57,600
right and chris chris is off doing his

1820
01:13:01,510 --> 01:12:58,400
own thing

1821
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:01,520
and and he goes missing right that's

1822
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:02,080
correct

1823
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:08,239
he's 17 you're 13. he's your he's your

1824
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,440
older brother

1825
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,480
um what was your judgment at the age of

1826
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:13,920
13

1827
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,360
did was he acting different yes

1828
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,679
so my judgment was he was telling me the

1829
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:21,679
truth i believed him

1830
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,880
but he was friend my brother was frantic

1831
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,880
he was very frantic my father the

1832
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:28,320
following night was calm

1833
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:29,679
he wasn't always calm but he was calm

1834
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:32,320
when he told me the story um there was a

1835
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:33,040
lot of

1836
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,199
chaos that ensued with the fallout of

1837
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,440
sharing it with you know my mother and

1838
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,120
her family and his own family

1839
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,800
there was a lot of chaos there but when

1840
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:45,360
he told me the story he was calm

1841
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,120
my brother was not your brother was not

1842
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:51,600
no it freaked him out bad i can only

1843
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:52,320
imagine

1844
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,560
i'm i'm it's an uncomfortable laugh for

1845
01:13:56,709 --> 01:13:56,400
me we all have family oh it's okay you

1846
01:14:03,590 --> 01:13:56,719
know

1847
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,600
um right and and you

1848
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:06,560
uh you know your family uh better than

1849
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,440
anybody that

1850
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:09,840
that you know in your life so when you

1851
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,480
see them

1852
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,560
struggle and going through these changes

1853
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,239
and something is extraordinary

1854
01:14:17,669 --> 01:14:16,560
like this it's not easy for you or the

1855
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:17,679
rest of the family

1856
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:19,679
uh to go through but you've got to do it

1857
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:21,280
together because family is all that

1858
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:21,920
you've got

1859
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:25,440
right right so i don't think anyone's

1860
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:27,040
ever really heard this before

1861
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,440
you know it's 14 years here worth of

1862
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:31,040
memories and experiences and a lot of

1863
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:33,120
this stuff slips through

1864
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,120
so we don't really think to share it but

1865
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:39,520
my brother was 17 when it happened and

1866
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,400
my mother

1867
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,640
all the best intentions in the world she

1868
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:44,000
just didn't believe him

1869
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,679
you know it's not like she was being

1870
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,600
malicious i i totally sympathize with

1871
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:49,440
why she felt that way and i still do

1872
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:52,400
i'm sure she's listening um but it's

1873
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,440
just a fact

1874
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:54,880
it's a matter of fact that she did not

1875
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:57,040
believe him until

1876
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:00,320
when he was 19 years old he had a

1877
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:03,280
surgery just like a minor surgery and he

1878
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,880
was on anesthesia and you know how that

1879
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:06,400
goes when you're at home you're super

1880
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,960
loopy

1881
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:08,480
i got my wisdom teeth pulled out and i

1882
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,400
thought i was the rat from ninja turtles

1883
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:11,840
because i had gauze in my mouth you know

1884
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:14,320
like you just think crazy stuff

1885
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:22,870
my mom's has to break at a red light and

1886
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:24,000
there's like a big truck

1887
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,600
in front of them and when the brake

1888
01:15:27,910 --> 01:15:26,960
lights went on my brother started

1889
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,920
panicking in the

1890
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,760
in terror and he keeps saying it's the

1891
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,600
eyes it's the eyes it's the eyes from

1892
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:33,440
that night and my mom that was the first

1893
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,239
moment

1894
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,760
she came home at night and she told me i

1895
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:37,440
believe i believe my son

1896
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:41,440
i don't think he was lying wow wow um

1897
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:44,719
uh that was uh again january 18th

1898
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,760
uh 2007 so right the original experience

1899
01:15:53,030 --> 01:15:49,360
was january 8th

1900
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:53,040
january 8th uh and

1901
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:57,199
after that was it soon after

1902
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:00,080
that things started to change with the

1903
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,000
events on the property

1904
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:05,360
or was there a longer amount of time

1905
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:06,960
now when you say change do you mean like

1906
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:09,040
we start to experience things is that

1907
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,480
what you're going through yes okay

1908
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:12,800
so right off the bat um as a family we

1909
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:13,920
experience things

1910
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:15,679
we would see lights in the sky and and

1911
01:16:19,030 --> 01:16:17,440
my dad actually wanted me to um tell you

1912
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:19,040
about this today so this is a perfect

1913
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,040
question

1914
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:23,679
when it first happened my dad was so i

1915
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:25,120
know i said out he was calm when he told

1916
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,159
the story and he was

1917
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:28,560
but he was frantic for us to believe in

1918
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:29,679
his actions

1919
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,280
and you know what he would do and there

1920
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:33,120
were many probably

1921
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:36,560
hundreds of nights or days that he would

1922
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,159
run in the house make us stop what we

1923
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,760
were doing to go outside as a family and

1924
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,120
look

1925
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:44,000
and there were many nights that we would

1926
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:45,280
get there and it was gone

1927
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:46,719
but there were also many nights we would

1928
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:47,920
get there and we would all just stand

1929
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:49,120
there in silence and we would see

1930
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,480
something in the night sky

1931
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:52,400
and particularly i remember when i was

1932
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:53,679
13 years old so that would have been

1933
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:55,120
2007.

1934
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:56,400
it was just one night we were sitting in

1935
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:57,679
the back room looking out the back

1936
01:17:03,030 --> 01:16:59,920
window as a family through the blinds

1937
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:03,040
and all six of us saw like a blue a

1938
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:03,679
bluish

1939
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:06,960
white light bobbing up and down and then

1940
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:09,120
dad said see i told you

1941
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:10,320
you know i believed him from the start

1942
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,719
but i saw something that night 13 years

1943
01:17:16,470 --> 01:17:14,159
old jimmy

1944
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,480
and then we continued to see dozens or

1945
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:18,080
hundreds or whatever i have no metric

1946
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,600
for this but it was it was

1947
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,800
it was a lot um lights in the sky

1948
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,400
moving in erratic behaviors they would

1949
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,159
bob and weave and do whatever

1950
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,800
but when i was 15 years old so two years

1951
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:30,560
i found him

1952
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:32,080
so like i said my dad would yank us out

1953
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:33,679
of the house he'd make us run outside in

1954
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:34,560
a scramble

1955
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,679
and he would even do that in the

1956
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,840
mornings um

1957
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:40,000
one day actually ironically it was his

1958
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,920
birthday so i know the date

1959
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:44,960
it was october 15th 2008.

1960
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:48,480
so yeah so i would have just turned um

1961
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:51,520
15 14 no i'm sorry it's 2009

1962
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:53,199
right because i was 15 i was in 10th

1963
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:56,239
grade so october 15 2009 he he yanks me

1964
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:57,920
out of the bed at four in the morning

1965
01:18:03,350 --> 01:17:59,920
and my brother jeremy

1966
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:03,360
and makes us run to the back door

1967
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:05,040
and my dad and my brother and i sat

1968
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:06,640
there in silence

1969
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,679
for two hours looking in the backyard

1970
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,120
now it's important to note that behind

1971
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:13,040
our house and to the right there was a

1972
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,800
christmas tree farm like a huge

1973
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:16,080
christmas tree farm where people

1974
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:17,440
could come and buy these trees so there

1975
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:20,560
was a you know a huge section of woods

1976
01:18:25,750 --> 01:18:23,440
so above that christmas tree farm which

1977
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:25,760
from our door was only about 300 yards

1978
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:26,000
or

1979
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:29,520
less right above the trees we saw this

1980
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:32,960
giant absolutely enormous

1981
01:18:38,470 --> 01:18:36,400
black i would say metallic but i

1982
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:38,480
couldn't see any distinct features this

1983
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:39,520
giant black

1984
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,880
object with a light on it that was pure

1985
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:44,159
radiance

1986
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:46,080
to the point to where the main details

1987
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:47,360
you could notice about this thing was

1988
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:48,400
the light itself

1989
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:49,920
the light was so bright you couldn't see

1990
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:52,159
the form and it was gold it was it was a

1991
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:53,520
gold white light and it sat there for

1992
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,679
two hours and we just watched it

1993
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,120
finally about six in the morning it

1994
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:59,679
slowly descended beneath the christmas

1995
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:01,120
trees and then i went to bed for about

1996
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,320
another hour and

1997
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:04,400
got up at seven and went to school so

1998
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:06,000
even as a young kid i was seeing all

1999
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:07,679
these crafts and all these experiences

2000
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:09,600
and even several hour events

2001
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:12,719
um but then it really go ahead what was

2002
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:15,600
the the shape of this this black craft

2003
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:16,800
and and the size

2004
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,760
if you could take a guess so the size

2005
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:24,719
it was dad says this a lot i want to

2006
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,480
refrain from just repeating him he

2007
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:28,480
always says the size of a school bus

2008
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:29,840
but it really was it was about the size

2009
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:31,840
of a school bus it was i mean i don't

2010
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:33,520
know it was it was bigger than a car or

2011
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:34,480
a truck i

2012
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:35,920
i can't really give you a metric because

2013
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:38,800
it was in the sky but it was huge

2014
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,520
it was not quite as long as an airplane

2015
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:43,600
but it was really really big and it was

2016
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:47,040
kind of round oval shaped

2017
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,960
but i couldn't see the physical form of

2018
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:50,560
this object because the light was so

2019
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,360
bright

2020
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:53,280
that it was like looking into a light

2021
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,880
bulb or something i mean even at the

2022
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,320
time i thought oh my gosh this is